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We got a Sno-Way 29 series snow plow end of winter 2009. We are on a 1 1/2 mile long dirt/gravel road.

Last year, we had a very mild snowstorm and took the plow out just for fun, but didn't do much plowing, maybe 30 min or so max.

We had a good snowstorm in Dec; ended up with 8 to 10 inches, started plowing around 3 or 4 inches.

On our first trip down the road, by the time we reached the end (maybe 30 min?), the plastic cover over the electronics had popped up. By the end of the day (we don't know when it happened) the stops under the plow had pulled out. Somehow the locking pin came out. Our neigbors found the stops and spacers scattered at various places on the road and brought them to us... locking pins never showed up.

We feel like a $7,000 plow shouldn't have these issues this early and have asked for some money back on it. After weeks of delay, the factory called us and said basically "gee, the stops never pull out" and that "we have to adjust/tighten the clips on the plastic cover per the directions in the manual" - the manual says to tighten after 20 hours of operation and we had only used it max an hour between the plowing last spring and this winter... All they offered us was a free set of stops (which they say are not covered under maintenance) but we have to drive to the dealer to have them installed in order to get them. Since the drive is two hours each way (with a snowplow on the front of the truck - not fun) we really don't want a new set of stops that will probably just pull out again.

Are we unreasonable to want some money back? It was a lot of money to pay to have things break on the first plowing. We have since said if we drive to the dealer it will be to return the plow and get all our money back, not just to fix something that might break again. That was a couple days ago, have not heard a response. Just wondering if this is normal for plows... and is it normal to get so little response from Sno-Way?

Thanks, Anne

ps - we're strictly "home plowing" folks, we don't do this for a business. The reason we got such a pricey plow is we wanted something that could handle our road -dirt/gravel, windy - and snow - up to 18 inches at times, although of course we would plow during the snowstorms. But cheaper models we looked at seemed designed for paved driveways, not roads like ours, so we thought we'd get something we were sure would work...
 
I am assuming the "stops" you are talking about are the plow shoes that keep the blade raised up a bit so you don't dig into the gravel?

As for the cover, your installer did not secure it properly or there was extreme vibration from plowing the gravel road...

The cover is "probably" the installer's fault. The "stops" and the locking pins are standard items. If the popped out on your sno-way, any other brand would have done the same thing. Plowing is not a set it and forget it type environment. It is both labor intensive while you are plowing and before and after just to make everything is secure and tightened properly. I usually tell people 15 minutes of checking for every 1-2hrs of plowing.

Expecting a full refund on the plow is unreasonable. $7,000 is very, very high price that you paid, you probably over paid by a couple thousand dollars.

Based on your questions, plowing your own road (its really not a driveway at 1.5 miles) might not be for you. Maybe sell the plow and hire someone?
 
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thanks for the feedback

ChTucker, thanks for the feedback ... they were the only dealer anywhere close, so we couldn't really get price comparisons. Sorry to hear we overpaid :(. I'll keep pushing for at least some money back then.... sounds like there is some padding in there. & I do understand they need some maintenance, I just don't think we should have to stop halfway down the road the first time to do any of those...

I would love to have hired someone to do the road for us, but there don't seem to be any snowplow people in the area....

Anne
 
Anne, no problem.

Plowing dirt/gravel is EXTREMELY hard on equipment. If your dealer didn't tell you, you should probably go over every nut/bolt/screw and make sure they are tightened to manufacturer's specification.

The damage/loss you incurred is very minor in my mind. I would ask for other things instead of trying to ask for a partial refund.

There are far better experts on this forum who install plows everyday. I encourage you to ask them what there recommendations in properly preparing your plow for the road you are plowing.

I am glad you never considered the "other" plows... Even though you are not plowing commercially, you are using your plow in an extreme environment. Without seeing your road, I would imagine that it is like every other private rural drive/road and not very smooth.
 
I am not sure you got over charged. There are many variables including what options are on this plow, how it was installed etc.

Can you take a photo of the items of concern and post it?

Gravel is a beast and you are talking about a long run of roadway. There may be some other things to consider.

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After 30 minutes of continous contact with gravel and dirt, the vibration must be unbelievable on that plow. Also, since it was the first plowing I am sure there were MANY high spots your straight edge cut down. I spoke to a guy in MO that runs a piece of 4" pipe split longways on his cutting edge to plow a long gravel road. Sounds like you need something similar. Wish he sent pics.

It also sounds like the shoes are way too small by design for what you are doing. You should be skimming the surface, not running on the shoes IMO. IF I were plowing that I would take off the shoes, and run the blade 2" off the ground. You should also be plowing at a walking pace until you have plowed it a few times, and it freezes. That way you can find the heaves and high spots and maybe even mark them with markers or flags.

As was already said, check ALL the mounting bolts to the frame for proper torque.

$7K seems high, but freight out to the west coast must be murder. Especially if the dealer is not taking a full trailer load.

~Chuck
 
On a note to cheer you up, my experience has been, over many pieces of new equipment, that you almost always have a few initial teething problems (leaky hoses, misaligned parts, loose parts) to deal with, then you will enjoy many relatively trouble-free hours. Issues start to develop as the machine gets nearer to the end of its life. I've found this to be true for bicycles to $500,000 feller bunchers and delimbers.

I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on to ask for money back on a plow - the deal was made between a willing buyer and a willing seller. Instead, hopefully, the dealing will still be more than willing to support your purchase through their warantee and goodwill programs.
 
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