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Have you ever replaced the tranny in your plow truck during a snow season?

  • Yes I have

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  • No I have not

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lucky

I got lucky, mine went out just before the winter!
 
3 - 4L80E's last season - two reverse bands, one output shaft. Output shaft covered under warranty. So far so good this year - knock on wood. Lost one clutch in Jan. that was 5 months old - it grenaded - warranty denied due to "abuse" - lol! I guess that's bound to happen with so many different operators.
 
Had to do the trans in the 550 about a year ago, at about 22k miles! Of course the dealer couldn't get it to slip when they drove it. I picked it up, it was slipping right away, so I drove it right to the best trans shop in the area. Works great ever since.
 
Ecurb said:
95 dodge wrecker 5 trans in 20K never will own another DOG......But out of that bussiness.:rolleyes:
Maybe the stealer had something to do with this Eh ? Allmost sounds like Ford of late.


94 Ford F150 78000 miles rebuilt trans. Never buy another Ford :wink
97 Dodge no trans
01 Dodge no trans
03 Dodge no trans
05 Dodge no trans

All trucks were maintained, the Ford was purchased used but had no hitch. Never plowed either. All the Dodges plowed and towed. Maybe I am just lucky.
Oh I should add my buddy has a 97 2500 Ram that just hit 172,000. Plowed since new. Just got rebuilt trans this year, truck was maintained as well. Trans was serviced every year. He must be lucky too.
Todd
 
Had the same thing with one of our Dodges, Todd. I lost count but it was 10 or 11 tranny's by the time it hit 70K. I'm sure it did have something to do with the dealer, which is why I no longer allow the dealer to rebuild my trannies. Assuming I can afford it, that is. Put a Jasper in it and it lasted 3 years, longer than any of the previous tranny's.
 
Wel

Well mark, since you have problems with your 550's trannys and lack of power, and your dodge was a total piece of *****....I think you better head to the local gm dealer!!!!!!
 
Firstclass,

Problem is we here in West Michigan have seen numerous frame failures in the GM line.

Mark, I believe Joe over at Hil****** lost two one ton GM frames in one season. I believe that Twin **** had a couple of trucks into Jim's shop with the same issue. Not near enough steel to take the abuse.

Easier and quicker to replace trannys than to deal with broken frames. Each manufacturer has their problems, we just have to pick our poison.

But then Mark's company and one I own (established 1964) haven't been around long enough to get a good idea of the history of failures in each brand.

Oh, and let's not forget the infamous 700R4 fiasco in the GM line either. There were rumors of diehard GM product owners keeping reman tranny on the shelf for a quicker changeout during the plowing season.

Just replaced the trans in our '99 CTD Dodge after 5 seasons of plowing and 172,000 miles. We usually budget for at least one rebuild per season in the fleet. We have two 77 CJ jeeps with the Turbo400 trannys. They seem to last a little longer, but then those are lighter vehicles.
 
Yup

Im my opionion its 6 of one and a half dozen of another. Some people love the chevy frames, others hate them. Some love the dodge frames, others hate them. .... (ford too....) With the tranny issue. I think the best bet is to get a GOOD shop to rebuild it when it goes out. Gm reman's or even some jaspers just don't hold up near as well. I got the tranny redone on my 99 this fall and the owner told me he was going to warrenty it for 2 years even with commercial plowing. He said that he would be suprised if he ever saw that truck again. Do i believe him? maybe...but man would that be nice!!!!!!!! My experience with both chevy's that I own has been great. The 6.0 is a gas hog....but man does it have power! towing a 16,000 lb trailer it did just fine. I was quite impressed for a gas truck. I was just harrasing mark a bit :notworthy

I will be very interested to see how my buddys truck holds up. He has a 2004 hd just like my 2003 and he has one of the mast boy's swing wings on the back of it. (the 16ft on) and a boss 9'2" v on the front. So far so good but who knows!! this is only winter 2 on that truck! I will keep you guys informed
 
Sorry Jon, I have to have a real suspension and front axle. :rolling

Andy made a good point too. I guarantee you I can find more problems with GM frames than Dodge and Ford combined. That's just here in GR.

Throw in the half-assed back plow on that B&B has and you're guaranteed to have a frame problem on any one of the trucks. JMO
 
Firstclass,

Your buddy with the swingwing and Boss - his name Jared?
 
The 1st time it snowed here i was getting the truck ready the day before and reverse was slipping (by the way it's a 90 K5) so it was down a small amount of fluid and i thought great thats all it was. Well i went to work at my current job(auto glass installer) They let us out early because of the storm and i was so glad that i could get an early start, well when i got home to change and to do my drive 1st the trans went halfway in my drive and in the street. I was so furious and didnt care at that point if the town towed it from the spot it was in. couldnt move forward(which i still had) because my neighbor went away for the weekend and i was 1 foot away from her truck, so i waited till she came home and drove it to my buds trans shop 2 miles away. And im still mad because of the lack of snow around here that storm would have been a profitable one..oh well..
 
nope

Nope, Chad and Jason. They are brothers on the NW side of Grand Rapids... (cutter lawncare)[


QUOTE=GMC Driver]Firstclass,

Your buddy with the swingwing and Boss - his name Jared?[/QUOTE]
 
It is amazing to see the different directions a thread can take.

If I'm not mistaken the issues with the newer Chevys (2000 and up) is the "pipe" which connects the frame rails where there is the "hump" in the frame above the rear axle. There isn't a whole lot of "rail" on either side of the pipe and apparently the downpressure from a backblade will cause it to fail in a short time.

"Throw in the half-assed back plow on that B&B has and you're guaranteed to have a frame problem on any one of the trucks."
I can see that B&B's setup probably isn't the best design around but how would does it cause the frame to crack?

As far as who is who. I suppose that the only person with an 04 or 05 Chevy HD with swingwing and Boss front blade named Jared would be Jared Kamp.
Whereas the folks at Cutter Lawn Care would be Chad and Jason Wielhouwer. The connection being that all (including myself) are alumni from Plymouth Christian School.

David Rozeboom
 
David, I had seen your references to GR before, always wondered what the story was. My father just did a Career Day at Plymouth last week for the green industry. Still a small world.

I think we can blame this sidetrack on apkole. Thanks Andy. :zoom

Anyways, IMHO, the reason B&B's crappy design causes frame problems is because all they do is weld receiver tubes on an OEM trailer hitch (which more than likely voids any warranty and any liability that could go back to the manufacturer) and places all that extra stress on the trailer hitch that was designed for towing trailers, not all the twisting, torqueing, etc that a back plow places on it. In addition, most trailer hitches state no welding or cutting on them as well as not intended for other uses.

There is also that slight issue of when attempting to pick up their back blade that the plow frame moves several inches before the plow even comes off the ground. There aren't any front plows that do that. This is based on my observations of their old style. From what I have been told, they redesigned it for this season because of the problems they were having. I even know of one (so there are probably more) back blade from B&B that was 1 season old, the frame cracked on the truck, and they said tough crap, you're out of luck. Great customer service IMO.

Dilly, not sure if you're familiar with Ebling and Sons back blade design, but they build the trailer hitch around the plow frame. I've stated before that I have not had 1 minute of down time from one of Jim's plows other than some cylinder problems right at the beginning. Those have since been worked out. We have broken a couple by backing into posts or other objects and have had some issues with our 1 550 that is very heavily loaded, but I am blaming that on the weight of the truck. It still has not given us any downtime, just repairs on the plow and frame itself. These cracks have been repaired before the plow actually went down.

Hope this answers your question.
 
Mark

Mark,
Just so you know, B&B has now changed the design....same general idea, but now they replace the whole hitch with one that is stronger and reinforced more...looks a lot like the front mounts for a boss....i still dont like it though!!!!! And even worse, they use that same "hitch" hookup for their swingwings...UM NO THANKS!!!!!! THe big bumpers maybe ugly, but they are functional!

Summit now has a toolcat also. I saw it at Grand Valley's downtown campus today. It has a power broom on the front and a small snowex/ lesco v box salter in the back. Cool? yes, but not nearly as customized as tender's!

And a little more dutch bingo for this thread (by the way, the off topicness may have been me too....OOPS) Jason Wielhouwer's Wife Kathy now teaches at Plymouth too. Wow, its a small world!
 
apkole said:
You're welcome, Mark!!! It's an ADD thing. Wait, wasn't the discussion on trans . . . nooo, umm, frames, yeah, yeah thats it . . . . ummm, nooo, toolcats . . . .

Ummm.....Wait a minute...are all plow guys add??? Cause I am a diagnosed one! HA
 
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