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I have a sandpile dumped on the property that I'd like to keep from freezing up as much as practicable. It's going to be applied mostly on dirt road, so I'd like to add as little salt as possible to it so as not to melt the frozen road surface. I have a tri-axle load of mixed sand and granite dust. I have tractor with a bucket as well to mix with. About how much salt would you think I should use? I've got 50lb bags of Halite.
 

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I have a sandpile dumped on the property that I'd like to keep from freezing up as much as practicable. It's going to be applied mostly on dirt road, so I'd like to add as little salt as possible to it so as not to melt the frozen road surface. I have a tri-axle load of mixed sand and granite dust. I have tractor with a bucket as well to mix with. About how much salt would you think I should use? I've got 50lb bags of Halite.
How many Yards?
 

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Several smaller piles might work better since you might be able to get them to dry out easier. I would try keep them securely covered as well.
 

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So, what happened didn’t you have an success last year with the advice from last year? I would tarp it too keep any extra moisture out of the sand that might occur. Plus, the snow on it can melt and freeze making it more difficult to move it around. But, I think you will need at least a 3:1 ratio of sand to salt.
 

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So, what happened didn’t you have an success last year with the advice from last year? I would tarp it too keep any extra moisture out of the sand that might occur. Plus, the snow on it can melt and freeze making it more difficult to move it around. But, I think you will need at least a 3:1 ratio of sand to salt.
Since you asked......Last year I decided to try building a PVC pipe A-Frame and cover that with a tarp and no salt. I was building the frame & was half-way done one day when it started to snow, I had to run to the hardware store as I was short of material, and by the time I got back home, it was snowing so hard that I just tarped the pile for the moment & planned to finish the frame later, weather permitting. The weather never permitted, and the pile (as you would guess) froze up solid & I was essentially not able to use much of it.

I've heard of MUCH lower ratio's of salt/sand. I'm not doubting what you are saying (at all), that's why I've been looking (and asking) around for peoples thoughts about this. Some of the %'s I've heard seem much too low, while others (such as yours) are high enough that it makes me uncomfortable to think about using that much salt on a frozen dirt road. Maybe I'm being to paranoid about the effect the salt will have on the frozen road?

Although, as I write this, I've got about 6" of early season snow on the pile again, LOL. I THINK I'll have a window to do something this year, "weather permitting"...:)
 

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Since you asked......Last year I decided to try building a PVC pipe A-Frame and cover that with a tarp and no salt. I was building the frame & was half-way done one day when it started to snow, I had to run to the hardware store as I was short of material, and by the time I got back home, it was snowing so hard that I just tarped the pile for the moment & planned to finish the frame later, weather permitting. The weather never permitted, and the pile (as you would guess) froze up solid & I was essentially not able to use much of it.

I've heard of MUCH lower ratio's of salt/sand. I'm not doubting what you are saying (at all), that's why I've been looking (and asking) around for peoples thoughts about this. Some of the %'s I've heard seem much too low, while others (such as yours) are high enough that it makes me uncomfortable to think about using that much salt on a frozen dirt road. Maybe I'm being to paranoid about the effect the salt will have on the frozen road?

Although, as I write this, I've got about 6" of early season snow on the pile again, LOL. I THINK I'll have a window to do something this year, "weather permitting"...:)
Well, anything worth doing is worth doing to extreme. Try a 6:1 ratio if you like but the key is getting it to really mix well into the sand so it is evenly distributed. I know you your primary goal is to use the salt to keep the sand from freezing by changing the freezing point of the moisture in the sand. However, the more salt in the mix the greater the probability of getting the salt in the areas you need it to stop the moisture from freezing. But remember salt does clump when moist. It seems to me you need to find away to keep it warmer than 32F... I would tent this sand pile and maybe work a couple of tube heaters on really cold nights to keep the pile Warm.
 

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By next winter, I plan to build something to keep the sand dry at least, a small shed or something, my challenge has been figuring out something that will do the job, yet allow me to easily dump the sand into, and to access it with my tractor. There is no way for me to keep the sand above 32 degrees where it is now, so that's out for this season. If the snow we have now doesn't all melt before the full winter snowpack arrives, it's all a moot point anyway. Thanks for all the advice.
 

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By next winter, I plan to build something to keep the sand dry at least, a small shed or something, my challenge has been figuring out something that will do the job, yet allow me to easily dump the sand into, and to access it with my tractor. There is no way for me to keep the sand above 32 degrees where it is now, so that's out for this season. If the snow we have now doesn't all melt before the full winter snowpack arrives, it's all a moot point anyway. Thanks for all the advice.


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I think something like this would well. I would add a heavy front tarp door. Add some heat for the really cold days. You just have to make it so you can get your loader in.
 

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Nice, thanks for the link, some good ideas to be found there. I'll share what I do next season! As it is, the sand pile is still covered in snow and we're looking at maybe 15" more coming tonight into tomorrow....
 

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Nice, thanks for the link, some good ideas to be found there. I'll share what I do next season! As it is, the sand pile is still covered in snow and we're looking at maybe 15" more coming tonight into tomorrow....

You’re welcome... I hope it works out. I am jealous about the 15” of snow— I need more play time with Walter FGBS ...
 

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You’re welcome... I hope it works out. I am jealous about the 15” of snow— I need more play time with Walter FGBS ...
Turned out to be almost 18" when all was said and done. A neighbor (400' lower on the mountain) is an observer for the NWS, he's saying we had the most in the state from this storm! Sure wish I had my Gator w/Spreader right now....(In shop, it's ready now finally, but I have to dig my trailer out of the snow & unchain the plow truck to drive down to Concord to pick it up!)

You're welcome to bring the Walter up here & play in the snow, my driveway would be a challenge for you (probably). :)
 

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Turned out to be almost 18" when all was said and done. A neighbor (400' lower on the mountain) is an observer for the NWS, he's saying we had the most in the state from this storm! Sure wish I had my Gator w/Spreader right now....(In shop, it's ready now finally, but I have to dig my trailer out of the snow & unchain the plow truck to drive down to Concord to pick it up!)

You're welcome to bring the Walter up here & play in the snow, my driveway would be a challenge for you (probably). :)
So, jealous we only got 3” at most. The Walter trucks would take 30 hrs at 30mph max to arrive...
 

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That’s a lot of sand... you will need at least 2-3 yards of salt to mix in. That’s a lot of 50lb bags of rock-salt to mix in. How are you storing it?
It's for a dirt road, dont add salt......

I bet hes storing it on the ground.....
If it is dry, covering it may work.


I see you keep the gator inside,
I'd load up the gator before the storm and keep it inside,,,

get a case of washer fluid, you know the kind that is good down to -35F.
if or when your sand clumps up or freezes you can use some to get things flowing again.
 

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It's for a dirt road, dont add salt......

I bet hes storing it on the ground.....
If it is dry, covering it may work.


I see you keep the gator inside,
I'd load up the gator before the storm and keep it inside,,,

get a case of washer fluid, you know the kind that is good down to -35F.
if or when your sand clumps up or freezes you can use some to get things flowing again.
In my area Salt on dirt roads matter little when one takes into account that we get 35-50 degree F temperature swings... Salt or not if you go from 15 to 65 degrees F and then maintain 45 degrees for a week or so... you are going to have soft drives no matter what next time snows.
 
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