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OK,is this even an issue for trucks under 10K? If ive got a 9200gvwr pickup and im not overweight .I should not need DOT #'s and not be subject to pull overs and DOT inspections correct? Or am i missing something.Of course if i had a dump truck or 12K truck,i know things would be different....
 

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OK,is this even an issue for trucks under 10K? If ive got a 9200gvwr pickup and im not overweight .I should not need DOT #'s and not be subject to pull overs and DOT inspections correct? Or am i missing something.Of course if i had a dump truck or 12K truck,i know things would be different....
John no and your right if a guy doesnt break a scale over 10k then hes not toting Dot numbers or the rules.

On log books Fellows i love all you guys like family but what part of the Federal DOT dont you understand ? Once you are at 10k and numbered truck you have to play by the rules, to include,,,,, Yearly Inspect, Med Cert, LOG BOOK and be prepared to bite your tounge alot .. Jeff "Crash935" along with me and Peter, and John Cotte have offered this advice for awhile now, there not playing around anymore you cant really bitch they gave better than 2.5 yrs to compley and now everyone is pleading the i didnt know this and there not buying it.

Please understand iam not defending DOT iam the not so proud recipent of about 25,000 dollars in fines for 1 hauling open frieght on a carrier with a wrecker plate, the truck was impounded and scaled and iam paying that wieght fee now for that carrier, Ticket for a Tow light out on a towed vech , hence we have switched to all wireless towmate tow lights. I and my guys have learned to say yes sir and thank you once you learn to do that welcome to the new rules of the interstate....

Last keep in mind some locals are just getting to understand the system so i suppose with that comes the Burford T justice attidute, in Jan when i totaled the Sterling i had to help the city cop fill out the DOT 2 page accident report.

Has for snowplowing if your running under 10k non commerial i dont see were it would include a logbook reading Peters insert it says commerical use hence they cant inforce at least that iam aware of a vech in company lettering under the Federal Law which i would assume is supreme over a local law at least here.
 

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Simply put, anyone with a one ton truck better bend over and get ready at any time. :headwall :mad:
 

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here's a new one for you. After getting our '96 F-350 diesel inspected at the local diesel inspection garage, one of the guy's behind the counter told me "you better get that truck registered" after looking at him puzzled he goes on to tell me that the GVW for that truck should be 11k and not 9k. He explains that it goes by the axle rating and not the gvw listed on the door and our axles rate over 9k. About 6 and change on the rear and 4800 on the front, so the truck is rated for 11k and not 9k. I just mentioned to him that it's been registered for 9k for the last 13 years and his response was to "get a letter from Ford stating that"??? This is after I found out I was charged 60 dollars to fix a light on the back of the truck, not replace, but "fix" (meaning I'm sure it was loose) and I paid the $130 to get the sticker. Of which only 5 dollars goes to the state, yes 5 dollars goes to the state the rest into the pockets of the inspection station. I know this business isn't supposed to be easy but I know it wasn't always this hard.
 

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On log books Fellows i love all you guys like family but what part of the Federal DOT dont you understand ? Once you are at 10k and numbered truck you have to play by the rules, to include,,,,, Yearly Inspect, Med Cert, LOG BOOK and be prepared to bite your tounge alot .. Jeff "Crash935" along with me and Peter, and John Cotte have offered this advice for awhile now, there not playing around anymore you cant really bitch they gave better than 2.5 yrs to compley and now everyone is pleading the i didnt know this and there not buying it.
This is the part I don't understand, Fred:

100 air-mile (exemption)
CDL drivers who operate within a 100 air-mile
radius of their normal work reporting location:
• May drive a maximum of 11 hours after coming
on duty, following 10 or more consecutive
hours off duty
• Are not required to keep the daily log
• May not drive beyond the 12th hour after coming
on duty five days a week or after the 16th
hour after coming on duty one day a week
Drivers using the Short-Haul Provision or the 100-
air mile exemption must comply with the 60-/70-
hour rule and may use the 34-hour restart.
Employers must maintain accurate and true records
(timecards, timesheets, etc.) for each driver
using the Short-Haul Provision or the 100 air-mile
exemption. The employer must always have the
previous six month’s records on file and available
for review. These records must identify:
• The driver
• The time the driver reports for duty
• The time the driver is released from duty
• The total on-duty hours each day


http://www.truckingsafety.org/PDF/Guidebook/GB11th.pdf

Page 16,

Driver’s Hours of Service
FMCSR, Part 395

NONE of the local excavators use log books, never have based on this exemption. Most don't even have DOT numbers, yet. They are getting there on that.

Here it is from the FMCSA site:

(e) Short-haul operations

(e)(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of Section 395.8 if:

(e)(1)(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location;

(e)(1)(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours;

(e)(1)(iii)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty;

(e)(1)(iii)(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 8 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty;

(e)(1)(iv)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 11 hours maximum driving time following 10 consecutive hours off duty; or

(e)(1)(iv)(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 10 hours maximum driving time following 8 consecutive hours off duty; and

(e)(1)(v) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing:

(e)(1)(v)(A) The time the driver reports for duty each day;

(e)(1)(v)(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day;

(e)(1)(v)(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; and

(e)(1)(v)(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently.


http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348002396c

Hopefully Peter will enlighten us, but as I understand it, when following those rules, AND operating within 100 air miles, logbooks are not required.
 

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Mark

We are not considered short haul here so logbooks were incorp early on , the fact that once you get registered with FDot and get your numbers a sometimes friendly sometimes not so friendly person will be coming to your shop its called a Audit there typical and he is gonna insist on log books along with your records of your short haul operations been there done that.

The audit will occur within 6 months of numbers there behind right now so that could be longer.

AW direct sells logbooks cheap they can be purchased in lots again not much money and having them again is all part of the smiling while wanting to rip his nut sacks off thing.:wink. To owners what ever you have in the truck you must also have in the office in a file for each truck. Out of all the things we have had to do the hardest is finding new drivers who can piss in a cup , when i say thats required they usally dont presue the interview any further if they make it that far i also let them know upon a clear pee test i will pay for the test only reason is i got sick of paying for piss tests were some brain surgeon thought drinking alot of OJ or other concoctions prior would hide there often high levels of pcps...:rolleyes:

Best advice i can give and not to overturn Peter is get legal once your auditer comes in there usally very helpful at helping you get on the right track again there normally fairly friendly people.
 

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Mark, you are correct, if you follow those rules you DO NOT need to have a log book in your possesion.

I run the short haul rule all most every day and do not carry a log book. I punch in and out at the same location every day, stay under the 12 hours on duty with 10 hours off duty after my shift. If i run out of the 100 air miles, i only need to fill out a log for that day, not the previous 7 days also.
 

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Mark, you are correct, if you follow those rules you DO NOT need to have a log book in your possesion.

I run the short haul rule all most every day and do not carry a log book. I punch in and out at the same location every day, stay under the 12 hours on duty with 10 hours off duty after my shift. If i run out of the 100 air miles, i only need to fill out a log for that day, not the previous 7 days also.
MMMMM i still had to fill out the log prev 7days. My book was full of zeros and such but i had to log in my total hours and time off etc. I thought it was just the company rules but one of the guys got stopped and was cited for not having the log filled out. told DOT he as a hourly 95% of the time and he was hourly and within 100 miles.
And of course you know who was right..
So weather I was hourly for the night or long trip. I filled it out.
On duty not driving, sleeper, etc. I figured if i was passed out on the front seat i was sleeping so i was using the " sleeper " column :)
 

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Mark, you are correct, if you follow those rules you DO NOT need to have a log book in your possesion.

I run the short haul rule all most every day and do not carry a log book. I punch in and out at the same location every day, stay under the 12 hours on duty with 10 hours off duty after my shift. If i run out of the 100 air miles, i only need to fill out a log for that day, not the previous 7 days also.
Thanks Jeff.

Am I also correct in the understanding that there is no Fed audit if a company is only intrastate?
 

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Mark,

I dont know if thats true about the audit but will try and look into it for you.

Mike,

I dont think that LEO was right, but youor right, not going to win the argument on the side of the road. The only time we fill out a book is if were over the 12 hours or over the 100 and its just for the day. Will try and do some digging for you also.

Ill be back to coloring in the book every day starting the monday after thanksgiving unless the place im at now throws me out this friday at the end of my shift.
 

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Thanks Jeff.

Am I also correct in the understanding that there is no Fed audit if a company is only intrastate?
Mark

When i got my audit i asked we are Interstate not Intrastate but i asked anyway and the answer is yes because they are looking at your filing and records of each truck on the road wether it leaves MI or not.

Comisson payed drivers "Mine" are required to fill out log books to track there miles and time on the road regaurdless of the 100 mile flight hours. This is why Mike was carrying a logbook.

Again the questions will be answered best by your Auditor since your the owner Mark again at least mine was helpful and friendly i dont get riled that often however i was somewhat nervous that day and it wasnt warrented there job is more to help than to cause you troubles.

I dont fear the auditor has much has i do the Bubble boys there the ones that seem to make rules has they go again the smile and thank you is best advice. The truth is has messed up has this state is right now i would doubt you have much to worry about working in just the greater GR area.

On this note have you been payed a visit by the white pickup truck people? For me being on the highway it may spark more but we have now had our truck tanks stuck three times in the last three months while parked at the shop for offroad diesel use. The guys have also been randomley pulled over and checked also theres no bennys to even risk it however i would venture to say if they pulled over the Sugar beat trucks heading to the plant right now 50 percent are probley running some amount of Ag fuel.
 

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Mark,


I checked everything i could but i couldnt find anything that excludes a Intrastate company from a audit.

If your gong to get one, they give you plenty of notice, they dont just show up. We let mom handle ours and she was a wreck before hand but once they got into it she sadi it wasnt bad at all. Officer was were help full on any questions and gave here time to find something if she didnt have it out for him. We had a couple of things that needed a little attention. The officer told mom to to take care of the few things and that he wouldnt be back unless we were caught screwing up out on the road.


Still working on the log book one.
 

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When i got my audit i asked we are Interstate not Intrastate but i asked anyway and the answer is yes because they are looking at your filing and records of each truck on the road wether it leaves MI or not.

Comisson payed drivers "Mine" are required to fill out log books to track there miles and time on the road regaurdless of the 100 mile flight hours. This is why Mike was carrying a logbook.

Again the questions will be answered best by your Auditor since your the owner Mark again at least mine was helpful and friendly i dont get riled that often however i was somewhat nervous that day and it wasnt warrented there job is more to help than to cause you troubles.

I dont fear the auditor has much has i do the Bubble boys there the ones that seem to make rules has they go again the smile and thank you is best advice. The truth is has messed up has this state is right now i would doubt you have much to worry about working in just the greater GR area.

On this note have you been payed a visit by the white pickup truck people? For me being on the highway it may spark more but we have now had our truck tanks stuck three times in the last three months while parked at the shop for offroad diesel use. The guys have also been randomley pulled over and checked also theres no bennys to even risk it however i would venture to say if they pulled over the Sugar beat trucks heading to the plant right now 50 percent are probley running some amount of Ag fuel.
Well, the way our state is going, I'm sure there won't be any money for a state audit. Really can't remember exactly what was said, but they either don't do them or only do them if there is a problem.

No visit yet from the white pickups. They can dip their wicks all they want. :grinz
 

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My therory is just play dump....:cool::beatsme:shades2
 

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Like Red tagging guys with no windsheild wiper fluid :mad: :headwall That is just BS

Another one I love is the break away battery is dead. I would like to see a trailer break away from a truck and stop immediatly for some reason I think if the trailer seperates from the truck you have bigger things to worry about. I understand the logic just I don't feel guys should be red tagged though.
In NY,our DOT boys get Viagra woodies on anything regarding the brakeaway system.Last year,just getting on the Thruway,I completely forgot to fix my switch the day before.The blinking lights and signs were out at the first rest stop for trucks to come in.Well,I rolled the dice,drove right past the entrance as 4 of them watched me--my plan was to get past the exit ramp also and I just made it when I got pulled over.Now I'm on the paved shoulder and he tells me he can't do a thorough inspection because it's too dangerous as he's reading me the riot act.I put on my best sorry,dumb look and act:rolleyes: and I got only a ''not obeying a traffic sign''. $100 a month later in court--not bad considering the alternative.
 

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Breakaways must be a high maintenance item. They are not required in Ontario - what trailers require them in NY - any with brakes?
 

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Breakaways must be a high maintenance item. They are not required in Ontario - what trailers require them in NY - any with brakes?
I'm pretty sure any trailer that has a max GVWR of 3000lbs or more requires brakes.Commercial trailers with more than one axle require brakes on all axles.Personal use trailers will sometimes have brakes on one axle only of a tandem axle trailer,although I an seeing this less and less.Any trailer with brakes requires a functioning breakway and working battery.
 
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