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post #1 of 26 Old 01-31-2019, 04:07 PM Thread Starter
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Plow only raising after holding the lower button for a few seconds

I have a Fisher HT series plow. Only way to raise it is first holding the lower button for a few seconds which turns off the green light and turns off Float mode. If I try to raise it without holding the lower button the motor and pump will wine like its trying to raise it but it does not move at all. Left and right work fine, plow up or down. When it does raise it goes right up quick.

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I have a Fisher HT series plow. Only way to raise it is first holding the lower button for a few seconds which turns off the green light and turns off Float mode. If I try to raise it without holding the lower button the motor and pump will wine like its trying to raise it but it does not move at all. Left and right work fine, plow up or down. When it does raise it goes right up quick.

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That's a new one. And weird.

So I take it the plow is staying in float when you try to raise? Is the float light staying on on the controller when you hit raise?

My guess would be a defective controller, but I've never heard of that happening. It could possibly be the plow module as well, as I am not sure if it maintains float in the controller or the module on a FleetFlex setup.
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yes, the green light is on unless I hold the Lower button for a few seconds

1986 white K10 stepside 4spd/ crawler, HO 305cid
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from the manual I found online,

RAISE
Press this button to raise the snowplow and
cancel the FLOAT mode. Function times out
after 4.8 seconds

so it appears the float mode is not canceling for some reason when I press the raise button???

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from the manual I found online,

RAISE
Press this button to raise the snowplow and
cancel the FLOAT mode. Function times out
after 4.8 seconds

so it appears the float mode is not canceling for some reason when I press the raise button???
So, it has to be either a control module or controller...
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So, it has to be either a control module or controller...
Copy cat...
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from the manual I found online,

RAISE
Press this button to raise the snowplow and
cancel the FLOAT mode. Function times out
after 4.8 seconds

so it appears the float mode is not canceling for some reason when I press the raise button???
Exactly. As mentioned above, I am not positive as to which is responsible for maintaining float. On the older plows, the controller keeps the lower valve activated. On the multiplexed plows, I do not know if that is still the case.
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Copy cat...
Meow meow...
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Turn key off. Then back on, does it raise right away? Go to the dealer and see if they ave a way to test your controller, or one you can use for a test.
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Turn key off. Then back on, does it raise right away? Go to the dealer and see if they ave a way to test your controller, or one you can use for a test.
That is a good suggestion. There is a tester available for the multiplex controllers now, so definitely worth calling around
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That is a good suggestion. There is a tester available for the multiplex controllers now, so definitely worth calling around
Just say no to the comma splice...
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Just say no to the comma splice...
Please, the adults are discussing plows here. Isn't there a 60 year old truck rotting somewhere, waiting patiently for you?
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Please, the adults are discussing plows here. Isn't there a 60 year old truck rotting somewhere, waiting patiently for you?
Did I hit a nerve? My ‘57 FGBS’ plow works... I guess a classic centralized hydraulic system running a pump off the engine is more reliable then electronics... shocker.
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Did I hit a nerve? My ‘57 FGBS’ plow works... I guess a classic centralized hydraulic system running a pump off the engine is more reliable then electronics... shocker.
I think the other difference is that OP actually uses his
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I think the other difference is that OP actually uses his
I use my trucks too. Just 10 inches of snow is a 2 minute job...
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I use my trucks too. Just 10 inches of snow is a 2 minute job...
But getting the truck started is a 3 hour job, so I guess it's a wash
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But getting the truck started is a 3 hour job, so I guess it's a wash
And yet all one needs to do is just turn the key and 855cubic inches of Cummins Dieselly goodness roars to life every time... crazy concept— right— that something old could work.

What makes me laugh is your diagnosis is the same anyone can make from reading the installation manual. I would think you might have more insight into the testing process of the problem.
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Walter ,

Shut up.
No one cares what makes you laugh
just knock it off with the ducking crap about your goddamn ducking truck
Why to post about it in every ****ing thread

Your pics all the snow was a bunch of bull****
it was driving around and on dry roads and it wasn’t even of your truck it was somebody . else’s.

It was a little teeny-weeny booger of snow on the plow it looks like you ran into a snowbank.

So in closing unless you actually have something constructive to add other than
Did you: call the dealer ...

And none of us give a **** about your truck there aren’t any vids or pics of it plowing snow

Now you’ve ruined yet another thread bringing your piece of junk truck into it
will you let somebody help somebody else who actually knows what they’re talking about
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Walter ,

Shut up.
No one cares what makes you laugh
just knock it off with the ducking crap about your goddamn ducking truck
Why to post about it in every ****ing thread

Your pics all the snow was a bunch of bull****
it was driving around and on dry roads and it wasn’t even of your truck it was somebody . else’s.

It was a little teeny-weeny booger of snow on the plow it looks like you ran into a snowbank.

So in closing unless you actually have something constructive to add other than
Did you: call the dealer ...

And none of us give a **** about your truck there aren’t any vids or pics of it plowing snow

Now you’ve ruined yet another thread bringing your piece of junk truck into it
will you let somebody help somebody else who actually knows what they’re talking about
Snoblower,

I just stated a fact it appears that classic engine driven pto based hydraulic pump with mechanical controls is more reliable than electronic systems? Not mention a 100 times easier to diagnosis and fix. Which was in response to Cwren2472 not you. So, get overself...
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Shut up

Again no one cares about your system
Nor is it relevant.

It is a ASSumption on your part
That one is superior to the other.


So shut up and let crew help the guy.
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Shut up

Again no one cares about your system
Nor is it relevant.

It is a ASSumption on your part
That one is superior to the other.


So shut up and let crew help the guy.
It is actually mechanical linkages will out last electronic circuitry in these applications. Things like extreme vibration, temperature fluxuations, moisture, and so are all present in plowing. Thus simplicity wins over complexity— Occham’s razor.

as for Crwen2472 he told him it is a or b... Which is what you could figure out from reading the manual. Without a testing procedure it is still a 50/50 shot on which it is.
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It is actually mechanical linkages will out last electronic circuitry in these applications. Things like extreme vibration, temperature fluxuations, moisture, and so are all present in plowing. Thus simplicity wins over complexity— Occham’s razor.

as for Crwen2472 he told him it is a or b... Which is what you could figure out from reading the manual. Without a testing procedure it is still a 50/50 shot on which it is.

You’re interpreting Occam’s razor incorrectly
And I quote

Occam's razor further known as the law of parsimony (Latin: lex parsimoniae) is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones.


Linkages do Fail
Ive operated machines for years that have mechanically controled valve bodies.
I even removed a mechanical under hood system from a truck and installed electric over hydraulic

where is your proof that a mechanical system Will outlast any electric over hydraulic




Again shut up, nothing you are posting is helping Op
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You’re interpreting Occam’s razor incorrectly
And I quote

Occam's razor further known as the law of parsimony (Latin: lex parsimoniae) is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones.


Linkages do Fail
Ive operated machines for years that have mechanically controled valve bodies.
I even removed a mechanical under hood system from a truck and installed electric over hydraulic

where is your proof that a mechanical system Will outlast any electric over hydraulic




Again shut up, nothing you are posting is helping Op

Exactly, now in engineering they call it “Keep It Simple Stupid”... same guiding principle as Ockham’s Razor reduce the complexity of the system and the simplist solution is usually the best. Of course simplicity is a vague concept and so is best. But overall the idea is the same.

I am not saying that mechanical systems won’t fail. I am saying that over all simple mechanical systems are more robust.


But the original poster only has 4 options: 1) buy a module hope that works out, 2) buy a controller hope that works 3) buy whatever part he didn’t buy in option 1 or 2 , 3) burrow a controller and test that and then buy the correct part, and
4) go to the dealer for repair.
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Why don’t you post your crap in your thread
That is decayed to your rig?

Then if anybody wants to know anything about your junk they can find it there

instead of spread your crap all over the forum stinking up everybody else’s topic
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Why don’t you post your crap in your thread
That is decayed to your rig?

Then if anybody wants to know anything about your junk they can find it there

instead of spread your crap all over the forum stinking up everybody else’s topic
Junk... that is subjective
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