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Hey, all. I'm from a cooperative community in Grand Rapids, MI and I've been asked to find the best way to control ice this winter. We have an asphalt-paved parking lot, and I think the driveway and sidewalk are concrete. Would salt/sand work? What ratio? What brand(s)? Where could we buy it, probably in bulk? Thanks so much.
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Hey, all. I'm from a cooperative community in Grand Rapids, MI and I've been asked to find the best way to control ice this winter. We have an asphalt-paved parking lot, and I think the driveway and sidewalk are concrete. Would salt/sand work? What ratio? What brand(s)? Where could we buy it, probably in bulk? Thanks so much.
Salt will obviously melt and help keep the ice froming to degree if preteating is applied. Sand is for traction.

So, yes, a Sand and Salt mixed is your best bet because it adds traction and also melts the ice.
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Would you suggest a ratio, a brand/place to buy? I have pretty much zero experience here.
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Would you suggest a ratio, a brand/place to buy? I have pretty much zero experience here.
I donít live in Michigan so I really cannot tell you a place to buy. As for mix that will depend on how much you want to melt the ice vs how much added traction you want. How much ice are you getting? If you have a lot of ice and wide temperature ranges you will cause the ice to melt and referzee again. So, if you have a long cold spell sometimes straight sand is best because it lasts longer and provides traction without needing as many applications. So, your ratio will depend on what sort of results you want.

I would use about 150lbs to 250lbs of salt per cubic yard of sand. That should give you an adequate mix. More if you want more melting.
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Hey, all. I'm from a cooperative community in Grand Rapids, MI and I've been asked to find the best way to control ice this winter. We have an asphalt-paved parking lot, and I think the driveway and sidewalk are concrete. Would salt/sand work? What ratio? What brand(s)? Where could we buy it, probably in bulk? Thanks so much.
What is a "cooperative community"?

How many square feet?

Sand doesn't control ice.

Sand makes a mess.

There is no "brand" salt\sand mix.

Bulk? No one has bulk sand\salt for sale in GR. No one has bulk salt for sale that I know of.

What equipment do you have to spread with?

Why wouldn't you hire it out?

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What is a "cooperative community"?

How many square feet?

Sand doesn't control ice.

Sand makes a mess.

There is no "brand" salt\sand mix.

Bulk? No one has bulk sand\salt for sale in GR. No one has bulk salt for sale that I know of.

What equipment do you have to spread with?

Why wouldn't you hire it out?
Socialism... you got it?
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Hey, all. I'm from a cooperative community in Grand Rapids, MI and I've been asked to find the best way to control ice this winter. We have an asphalt-paved parking lot, and I think the driveway and sidewalk are concrete. Would salt/sand work? What ratio? What brand(s)? Where could we buy it, probably in bulk? Thanks so much.
What experience do you have to start this venture. Sand is a pain, will need to be cleaned up in the spring. You have any equipment? Who is doing the snow removal?
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What experience do you have to start this venture. Sand is a pain, will need to be cleaned up in the spring. You have any equipment? Who is doing the snow removal?
They could easily hire a street cleaning company to remove the sand.
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They could easily hire a street cleaning company to remove the sand.
Yes, but if money is not an object they should just hire the salting out. Hopefully the OP returns to answer a few questions.
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Yes, but if money is not an object they should just hire the salting out. Hopefully the OP returns to answer a few questions.
So, many posters here post once and disappear... letís see what happens.
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So, many posters here post once and disappear... letís see what happens.
Too bad you didn't post once and disappear.

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Too bad you didn't post once and disappear.
What puzzles me is that bad attitude and confrontational attitude hasnít gotten you banned from ********. Then again the place allows openly racist comments about Latin immigrants... openly sexist comments about women and overt threats of violence towards people on the left. So, a guess your role is court jester.
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What puzzles me is that bad attitude and confrontational attitude hasnít gotten you banned from ********. Then again the place allows openly racist comments about Latin immigrants... openly sexist comments about women and overt threats of violence towards people on the left. So, a guess your role is court jester.
If you say so...

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If you say so...
Well actually the proof is in the posts...

So, why are you slumming it here any way?
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Well actually the proof is in the posts...

So, why are you slumming it here any way?
I'm the top postererererer here...why not?

We all know why you are...

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I'm the top postererererer here...why not?

We all know why you are...
What does your post count have to do with anything? I question why you are here since the only really active poster is me. And we all know you donít like me. So, it makes little sense to come here and post if the only real poster here is someone you donít like.

Yep, I got banned... but they question is why when so many have posted sexist, racist and violent comments about immigrants? Why was my statement so easily misconstrued as being a threat? I still have never gotten a good answer to that question.
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What does your post count have to do with anything? I question why you are here since the only really active poster is me. And we all know you donít like me. So, it makes little sense to come here and post if the only real poster here is someone you donít like.

Yep, I got banned... but they question is why when so many have posted sexist, racist and violent comments about immigrants? Why was my statement so easily misconstrued as being a threat? I still have never gotten a good answer to that question.
It has everything to do with everything...I thought you knew that???

You are the only one active?

I don't???

If you say so...

I missed all those.

Maybe because it wasn't your first...I don't even know what you said that got you banned. But it could be just because you're disturbing.

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It has everything to do with everything...I thought you knew that???

You are the only one active?

I don't???

If you say so...

I missed all those.

Maybe because it wasn't your first...I don't even know what you said that got you banned. But it could be just because you're disturbing.
Only in your world view your post means anything at... I am disturbingógee, that is interesting.
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Perhaps regular table salt would do. There is no specific brand! You can use daily household item to remove snow. Make sure to follow the standard ratio. One cup of salt could melt 20 square feet of ice. So if you are deicing a car screen make sure to use a quarter cup to avoid any damages.
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Perhaps regular table salt would do. There is no specific brand! You can use daily household item to remove snow. Make sure to follow the standard ratio. One cup of salt could melt 20 square feet of ice. So if you are deicing a car screen make sure to use a quarter cup to avoid any damages.
I donít think Morton sells by the ton... not to mention the cost and corrosion effects of normal salt...
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I donít think Morton sells by the ton... not to mention the cost and corrosion effects of normal salt...
You can use a pinch of salt to avoid any damages. Also you can seek professional help for snow removal.
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I donít think Morton sells by the ton... not to mention the cost and corrosion effects of normal salt...
Maybe you should stop thinking.

Morton ONLY sells by the ton. As does Cargill, Compass, etc.

Yes, I have bought salt from all 3. Many, many TONS.

Is there abnormal salt that does not have cost and corrosion effects?

Don't you have grease traps to suck?

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Maybe you should stop thinking.

Morton ONLY sells by the ton. As does Cargill, Compass, etc.

Yes, I have bought salt from all 3. Many, many TONS.

Is there abnormal salt that does not have cost and corrosion effects?

Don't you have grease traps to suck?
So, youíve purchased many tons of iodine infused table salt ? That is what I meant by normal everyday salt as in NaCl instead of a salt substituted for Calcium Manganese Acetate Or beet juice or other products.

Context putz
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So, youíve purchased many tons of iodine infused table salt ? That is what I meant by normal everyday salt as in NaCl instead of a salt substituted for Calcium Manganese Acetate Or beet juice or other products.

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Maybe you should stop thinking.

Morton ONLY sells by the ton. As does Cargill, Compass, etc.

Yes, I have bought salt from all 3. Many, many TONS.

Is there abnormal salt that does not have cost and corrosion effects?

Don't you have grease traps to suck?
By the way your quote about the founding members of the United States is WRONG...
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So, youíve purchased many tons of iodine infused table salt ? That is what I meant by normal everyday salt as in NaCl instead of a salt substituted for Calcium Manganese Acetate Or beet juice or other products.

Context putz
u R da putz

That isnít what you meant at all .
you said ďregular salt ď nobody knows what you ment.....
Is ďregular saltĒ iodize salt ?
isnít regular salt, salt that hasnít been modified?

What is table salt in the periodic table?
Table salt is a compound made up of the elements Chlorine(Cl) and Sodium (Na) Compounds do not appear on the Periodic Chart. You can find Cl and Na on the chart.

As far as the magnesium and the other stuff you mentioned we use a magnesium salt or magnesium chloride which is the salt of magnesium that is used to melt ice.

All of them are regular salts.

?
Does iodine make salt More corrosive?
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