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I would hope so , well ,,, at least two of the wheels will have traction seeing as how theyíre on pavement but even then The friction coefficient could be below 100%
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I would hope so , well ,,, at least two of the wheels will have traction seeing as how theyíre on pavement but even then The friction coefficient could be below 100%
Actually, you donít understand the Walter system at all do you? In a conventional non-traction controlled system the tractive effort would be lost with two wheels slipping and two wheels on the opposite side of the truck gripping. With automatic torque proportioning differentials the tractive effort is transferred to the wheels that grip and thus preventing slipping making for a Four Point Positive Drive with 100% Traction that Walter Claimed.
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You donít understand what ďtractionĒ
Is.

Yes we all understand how a differential works the only place there is any traction is between the tire and the surface it is on
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If this vehicle ever achieved 100% traction it would rip itself apart.

I wonder what seurface it would need to be on to achieve 100% traction ?
Have your heard about friction friction coefficient is there anything like that.

Advertising has gone to your pointy head.
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You donít understand what ďtractionĒ
Is.

Yes we all understand how a differential works the only place there is any traction is between the tire and the surface it is on
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If this vehicle ever achieved 100% traction it would rip itself apart.

I wonder what seurface it would need to be on to achieve 100% traction ?
Have your heard about friction friction coefficient is there anything like that.

Advertising has gone to your pointy head.
If you have 20,000 ft-lbs of tractive effort to move the vehicle and you start to slip with with normal locking differentials you would have 50% front to rear left to right and so on. If half of the truck is on ice you get 50% of the 20,000ft-lbs of tractive effort working for you to propel you forwards. The Walter would divide the power to wheels that grip only giving them proptionately more torque than the slipping wheels thus distributing 100% of the total tractive effort to correct wheels to maximize traction.
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Again you were using the word traction ,Tractive effort or whatever you wanna call it or stillusing it Incorrectly.

Once again all youíre doing is describing how a differential works .
a differential cannot create traction.

Again,,,The only place traction exists is between the tire and the surface that Tire is on.

Your beloved sales brochure is skirting the facts and lying to you...
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Tractive Effort: it is the sum of the tractive force and rolling effort on the road surface. is the horizontal force available for the vehicles for pulling the load.


This has nothing to do with the actual traction the vehicle has between the wheels and the surface it is on.
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tractive effort
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the force exerted by a locomotive or other powered vehicle on its driving wheels.
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If it had 100% Traction it would destroy itself.
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Note ;that the tractive force is equal to the frictional force between the wheel and the ground. If the wheel is rolling along and not slipping, it is equal to the static friction. If the applied force exceeds the maximum static friction then the wheel will start to slip, and now the tractive force is equal to the maximum kinetic friction.

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TRACTION can be defined as the friction between a drive wheel and the surface it moves upon. It is the amount of force a wheel can apply to a surface before it slips. A wheel will have different traction on different surfaces; as , the coefficient of friction is based on pairs of surfaces.
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If your truck has 100% traction how could one ever get stuck Like this one did?
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TRACTION can be defined as the friction between a drive wheel and the surface it moves upon. It is the amount of force a wheel can apply to a surface before it slips. A wheel will have different traction on different surfaces; as , the coefficient of friction is based on pairs of surfaces.
All of this true and it still doesnít change the idea that you can apply 100% of theoretical vehicles traction to any surface... this called the coefficient of adeshion... and that is all Walter is claiming that their trucks make 100% usage of the total available traction and tractive force they have in nearly all conditions.
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I cannot wait to get this baby into action a Ď65 ACRS...
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The Ellisberg Walter out doing what does best in 3+ feet of lake effect snow...
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Doing What it does best like, driving around on bare pavement ...
with a little snow-bugger on the front of low it looks like he ran into a snowbank .
Thetruck is to clean to have plowed 3feet of snow.
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Doing What it does best like, driving around on bare pavement ...
with a little snow-bugger on the front of low it looks like he ran into a snowbank .
Thetruck is to clean to have plowed 3feet of snow.
They are clearly using it on this day for benching the banks... I donít know if it was out in the big storm. I donít live in Ellisberg ,NY. These pictures seem to be of the clean up process after the storm.

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So, yeah it isnít my truck...
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I’m not following link to your Tubeyou site.



benching a road that has already been plowed Isn’t going through 3 feet of snow is it?
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Iím not following link to your Tubeyou site.



benching a road that has already been plowed Isnít going through 3 feet of snow is it?
The link is not a YouTube site.... it is for the snow report.
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The link is not a YouTube site.... it is for the snow report.
I donít care if the snow report says you got 15 feet of snow

Those trucks are driving on plowed roads they are not plowing 3 feet of snow .

they wany road grader or any other truck couldíve performed the same job
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I donít care if the snow report says you got 15 feet of snow

Those trucks are driving on plowed roads they are not plowing 3 feet of snow .

they wany road grader or any other truck couldíve performed the same job
Those two pictures are from a guy on a Facebook group for Walter Enthusiasts... I didnít take the pictures of the truck and I have no idea what role the truck played during the storm. I just know they got 3 feet + of snow and it was out pushing snow sometime during or just after the snow fall.
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I got totally robbed this season with no real snow fall... I need a 30+ inch dump next year... I need it to snow like it did in California this winter. I need 120 to 180 inches of snow...
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You sure are a needy SOB
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You sure are a needy SOB
What is the point of plowing 4 inches of snow with a massive Walter!
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