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on top of your head.
That is nonsensical...
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why are you so nonsensical as to pretend you don't see it's about the point on your head?
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100% traction is still the best...
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100% traction is still the best...
No it isnít.

Why do you plow 4 inches of snow ?
so the public can have clear roads to drive on

There are a lot of massive snow moving Equipment and is more massive than a walter used to move last snow that are more efficient and better job so I guess you would leave the Walter parked because itís a piece of junk.
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No it isn’t.

Why do you plow 4 inches of snow ?
so the public can have clear roads to drive on

There are a lot of massive snow moving Equipment and is more massive than a walter used to move last snow that are more efficient and better job so I guess you would leave the Walter parked because it’s a piece of junk.
Hook line and sinker... I posted that to bait you and others. 100% positive traction has nothing to do with plowing. It is a general statement about traction control vs no traction control. And if you can achieve traction to the wheel(s) that grip(s) it is better than wasting power to wheels that are slipping... hence the reason that car and truck manufacturers produce vehicles with traction control.
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Hook line and sinker... I posted that to bait you and others. 100% positive traction has nothing to do with plowing. It is a general statement about traction control vs no traction control. And if you can achieve traction to the wheel(s) that grip(s) it is better than wasting power to wheels that are slipping... hence the reason that car and truck manufacturers produce vehicles with traction control.
Mind highlighting where I mentioned plowing?

I posted my simple fact because I knew youíd come back with some illogical rant just like you did.

Youíre the one that grabbed the bait quickly after I posted and you swallowed it .

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Traction control has no relevance to the amount of traction or the friction cohesive between the vehicle and the surface .
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Mind highlighting where I mentioned plowing?

I posted my simple fact because I knew youíd come back with some illogical rant just like you did.

Youíre the one that grabbed the bait quickly after I posted and you swallowed it .

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Traction control has no relevance to the amount of traction or the friction cohesive between the vehicle and the surface .
Never said traction control creates traction just that it is better to have it than not...
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Hook line and sinker... I posted that to bait you and others.
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Picard is a great character.... thanks for quoting me yesterday....
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Picard is a great character.... thanks for quoting me yesterday....
That doesnt sound like something I'd do
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That doesnt sound like something I'd do
You meant it to be an insult but i think fell flat... at least from the pdf of posts my friend sent me from the Craigslist thread... just a side note gradability isn’t only a function tire cohesion to the surface; it is also a function of tractive effort.
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You meant it to be an insult but i think fell flat... at least from the pdf of posts my friend sent me from the Craigslist thread... .
"Friend", ha! Sure.
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"Friend", ha! Sure.
Itís fascinating to watch you people continually mention the Walter 100% Traction or 4 point positive drive slogans over and over think it is some type of big laugh. Who knew a traction control system based on worm wheels and gears could be so entertaining.
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"Friend", ha! Sure.
I see the ministry of anti-intelligence is hard at work on PS... love the anti-union rhetoric, by the way. Most amusing actually.
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I see the ministry of anti-intelligence is hard at work on PS... love the anti-union rhetoric, by the way. Most amusing actually.
For someone who wanted to chose "silence", you sure do quote me a lot
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For someone who wanted to chose "silence", you sure do quote me a lot
I didn't chose to be silentó I just chose silence over nonsensical responses from you. No, contradiction as far as I can see.
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modern computer traction control has nothing to do with it.
actually they apply a brake to slow the spinning wheel, this in no means will result in traction for the other wheels.

to further dispel this marketing slogan that seems to have disappeared with the truth in advertising act....

Tractive Force Calculation for a Vehicle:
The maximum permissible traction force that can be applied to the wheels is governed by two things: the weight of the vehicle and the adhesion/friction coefficient between the tire and the road surface. More the weight and the adhesion coefficient more amount of tractive force can be applied to the wheels without causing slips between the tires and road.

note, it has nothing to do with the vehicles antiquated drive system.
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I didn't chose to be silentó I just chose silence over nonsensical responses from you. No, contradiction as far as I can see.
And yet you continuously quote me in hopes of getting a response - that is a clear contradiction.

But of course it really isn't - because you, by your own admission, are just trolling to get a rise out of people. "Hook line and sinker" I believe were your exact words. You talk about us who keep bringing up 100% positive traction and yet you manage to work it into the discussion for a guy looking for a new V plow for his F150.

So, I gather that your definition of "nonsensical" is "didn't take the bait." Sorry to disappoint.
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And yet you continuously quote me in hopes of getting a response - that is a clear contradiction.

But of course it really isn't - because you, by your own admission, are just trolling to get a rise out of people. "Hook line and sinker" I believe were your exact words. You talk about us who keep bringing up 100% positive traction and yet you manage to work it into the discussion for a guy looking for a new V plow for his F150.

So, I gather that your definition of "nonsensical" is "didn't take the bait." Sorry to disappoint.
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published tractive force value for any vehicle may be theoretical.

tractive , effort, or traction.
the term's usage in mechanical applications in which the final stage of the power transmission system is one or more wheels in frictional contact with a roadway.

If the drive wheels have such a torque applied to them that they are on the point of slipping in the plane of the wheel, then the value of adhesive force between tire and road surface has been reached (φ WR), where φ is the coefficient of adhesion between tire and road surface, and WR is the weight on the rear wheels. Under these conditions the engine torque has reached the maximum useful value for the present set of conditions, as any increase would only result in slip and lower acceleration. Static friction is higher than kinetic friction.

Tw = Te ig if ht [N m]

and

TE =Tw / Rw [N]
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modern computer traction control has nothing to do with it.
actually they apply a brake to slow the spinning wheel, this in no means will result in traction for the other wheels.

to further dispel this marketing slogan that seems to have disappeared with the truth in advertising act....

Tractive Force Calculation for a Vehicle:
The maximum permissible traction force that can be applied to the wheels is governed by two things: the weight of the vehicle and the adhesion/friction coefficient between the tire and the road surface. More the weight and the adhesion coefficient more amount of tractive force can be applied to the wheels without causing slips between the tires and road.

note, it has nothing to do with the vehicles antiquated drive system.
Antiquated? I guess you better tell that to Torsen...
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published tractive force value for any vehicle may be theoretical.

tractive , effort, or traction.
the term's usage in mechanical applications in which the final stage of the power transmission system is one or more wheels in frictional contact with a roadway.

If the drive wheels have such a torque applied to them that they are on the point of slipping in the plane of the wheel, then the value of adhesive force between tire and road surface has been reached (φ WR), where φ is the coefficient of adhesion between tire and road surface, and WR is the weight on the rear wheels. Under these conditions the engine torque has reached the maximum useful value for the present set of conditions, as any increase would only result in slip and lower acceleration. Static friction is higher than kinetic friction.

Tw = Te ig if ht [N m]

and

TE =Tw / Rw [N]
Ok, I follow. So what you are trying to say is Tw=:

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Ok, I follow. So what you are trying to say is Tw=:

yes.......

F = μt W

= μt m ag (1)



F = traction effort or force acting on the wheel from the surface (N, lbf)

μt = traction - or friction - coefficient between the wheel and the surface

W = weight or vertical force between wheel and surface (N, lbf))

m = mass on the wheel (kg, slugs)

ag = acceleration of gravity (9.81 m/s2, 32.17405 ft/s2)
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