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Best 1/2 Ton and Plow?

I have a friend thats looking for a new or late model 1/2 ton regular cab pick-up,he'll use it for driveways and maybe a few small lots.My first thought for him was a Wrangler but he wants the ability to but something in the bed and tow.Any suggestions on the best choice in trucks?how about suggestions on plows?Is a short bed pickup that much faster on driveways than a full size bed?Any modifications to the 1/2 ton that would help it out?Thanks for the help.from him and me.
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:17 AM
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I would say Dodge or Chevy and a 760 speedwing or 8' snoway
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:41 AM
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I'd say a F-150 shortbox with at least a limited slip rear axle, 300 straight six motor, any year up until 96.

A shorter wheelbase would provide better maneuverability but I'm not sure how well it works for plowing.

Of course, my opinion is just that. I'm intending on trying a 95 F-150 long bed with a locked rear axle and a 300-6 this year and I know someone who uses nothing but F-150s with the 300-6 and loves them for plowing. Guess I'll find out this year if it works or not. I do know the motor has plenty of grunt in it.
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i would use the dodge short box [sport model if poss] from 99-01 the had a very simple tried and true motor, 318 or 360,neither had a ton of power 220-240 hp.but they had plenty of power to plow and they had a pretty heavy front end,the short box was nice to get around with,the chevy in a short box would be my second or first choice depending on miles cond, price,western made a nice 7;6' plow as well as myer,boss,fisher, even though the f150 was reliable thoese 97-02 years had weak front ends,torsion bars would snap on a bitter cold morning when a heavy set man stood on the running board,ford did make a 7700gvw but not available in a short box,thats just my opinion;
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I had several different GM 1/2 tons with a Western straight blade in
the 90s before I went to 3/4 tons in 2001. The 1/2 ton GMs plowed
just fine.

If you looking at late model 1/2 tons that are still under warranty be
sure they have the mfrs. factory sno plow prep option. Most mfrs.
are now picky about warranty service on non plow prep equipped
trucks. Ford and Mopar have only offered plow prep on 1/2 tons
the last few years.
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I don't know how old of a truck your friend is looking at but...

I plowed 2 yrs with a 91 k1500 with an 8' Western. It did a fine job. Definitely get a set of timbrens and as always the correct amount of ballast.

I put the same plow on a 95 f150 for one year. The Ford had plenty of push, but the front end seemed mushy. I was always afraid I was going to break the thing when stacking. Some put heavier springs on them.

My 75 m880 is the best (still the same blade and I traded the 318 for a 360) by far, but it is a 3/4 ton so doesn't qualify.
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I have a 99 Ram 1500 short bed with an 8ft plow and timbrens up front and 5.2L engine.

The short bed is great for driveways; much easier to maneuver than an 8ft bed.
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1996 to 1998 Chevy or GMC reg. cab 6.5' bed with a 7.5' Boss Trip Edge would be an awsome combo.
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I would say "none". I have alway had cooling & tranny problems with almost all 1/2 tons. People tend to do too much with them and trash them. I had a Jeep & a 89 toyota PU with 7 1/2 blades that were good. But since 2001 I have never bought a 1/2 ton with a plow so things may have gotten better. I always plow now with a 1 ton or larger truck with trailering packages for the extra tranny & engine cooling, also bigger axels & suspensions to support a nice size plow.
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I've pushed a lot of snow with a 2004 K1500 (manual trans) and 7.5 Snoway. Never had any problems other than normal wear. I attribute it to the GM having the best 1/2 ton suspension that year, greasing the front end, and not doing anything stupid.
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Thanks for the help.He's now looking at a Toyota Tundra,good or bad?
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I just bought a 2011 Silverado 1500 with a SD Fisher. Worked fine in this storm we had.
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Thanks for the help.He's now looking at a Toyota Tundra,good or bad?
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Tell him to plan on a 3" leveling kit. They sit VERY low in the front. We did one last month on an 07 with a 3" leveling kit installed, and the mount was at the perfect height. We did a stock 2010 Tundra in Sept. and the A frame was 2 -3" off the ground with the blade raised. The new Dodge 1500 is the same. Stock, a plow sits way too low. I know a few other dealers that will not put a plow on a Dodge 1500. They told me they did, and then removed the plow. One dealer removed 2 he installed, and will not do any more. The other was actually the local Dodge dealer. The customer made them remove it!

Meyer just sent out a Service Announcement telling us they are not making a mount for 2011 F-150 trucks because there is no plow prep offered by Ford on the F-150 for the 2011 model year.

When are the big 3 going to grasp that people want to be able to plow with their new 4wd truck, without having to modify it.

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Does anyone think it would be ok to put a smaller plow on a 2001 Dodge 1500 half ton, 5.9, short box, automatic? (I do property preservation work, and we have always used snowblowers, never had a plow) Thanks!
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I have a 99 Ram 1500 short bed with an 8ft plow and timbrens up front and 5.2L engine.

The short bed is great for driveways; much easier to maneuver than an 8ft bed.
it is fine, see above
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Thanks for the help.He's now looking at a Toyota Tundra,good or bad?
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I have a 2010 Tundra 4x4 4.6L Double Cab 6.5' Bed with a 7.5 Fisher SD plow. The Tundra plows great. I have plowed 14" of snow with ease. I'm not sure on the exact millage but, it's not good when I'm plowing. If I had to gues I waould say I get around 8mpg when I'm plowing. If I was going to do it again I would get a 7.5' Fisher HD isnstead of the SD. But, the SD is a very good plow, I just wish it was a little heavier. If you have anymore questions just ask.
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I never really liked the looks of the new Tundra, but there are a couple people around here that have the regular cab/short box TRD configuration with plows and the leveling kits. They look really sweet!

Even though I do plow my driveways with a half ton, I'm always going to recommend going bigger for a few reasons:

- Most half tons will only carry a 7.5 ft blade. But they have the same truck width as 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. So your wheels and sides are more exposed to snowbanks. This storm I "rubbed" the truck on a few banks in tight areas. Mine is a long bed, regular cab. I can actually use an 8 ft blade on mine and am considering changing it out (have the 7.5 HD now).

- More maintenance. I've changed; brakes, wheel bearings, U joints etc. on my current truck more often than on previous 1/2 tons that didn't plow or 1 tons that did.

- Weight, ballast and pushing ability. Large lots are tougher on 1/2 tons, because even a full 7.5 ft blade of fluffy snow will stop the truck. Or steer it. To avoid that, I used to run it (when I was plowing commercially) in low range and ballast to the GVWR (a measely 6000 lbs). As my daily driver, I wasn't going to break it, but that meant slowing down and taking little bites at a time. Little bites with a little plow.

- Moving old snow. I tried to open up a few drives from frined this week that were not plowed or not fully cleared. Not a chance. Again, I did not beat on the truck to try and move the snow, as she is still my dailiy driver, but in low range, I could not budge the edges. I had limited sucess pushy back the banks at my own house.

I think at first your frined will enjoy the truck, until he gets into a situation that a bigger truck could handle. Then in the back of his mind he will always wish he went with a bigger truck. I know I do. In fact, when I bought my 04, there was an 01 GMC 2500HD next to it with a new plow. It was actually cheaper and my favorite color, black. A few times I wish I bought that truck instead.





Also keep in mind that all of this is only my opinion. And when the economy was good, I still had trouble getting retail price for it.
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Thanks for all the help,I'll pass it along.Is there a reason the manufactures don't build a 3/4 and 1 ton short bed?
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The 8.5' blade is so much better than a 8 (you dont have to get as close to things plus you tires dont run over your windrow)that I would not think of running a 7.5' with a full size pick up.If you never had a 8.5" you dont know what your missing.
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The 8.5' blade is so much better than a 8 (you dont have to get as close to things plus you tires dont run over your windrow)that I would not think of running a 7.5' with a full size pick up.If you never had a 8.5" you dont know what your missing.
As my Grandma Sabina used to say "Sausige his ona". A 7.5 hd fisher works perfect on my 1/2 ton 01 chev reg cab 8' bed. I installed timbens, a oversized trans cooler, hd shocks, 10ply studded snows & run about 450lbs. ballast. If the plow is angled all the way I will run over windrows but I normally only do that pushing the sides back so it's a non issue. There's tight places that I'm doing that an 8' would not fit thru.
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actually the local Dodge dealer. The customer made them remove it!

Meyer just sent out a Service Announcement telling us they are not making a mount for 2011 F-150 trucks because there is no plow prep offered by Ford on the F-150 for the 2011 model year.

When are the big 3 going to grasp that people want to be able to plow with their new 4wd truck, without having to modify it.

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There is a bulletin on the Ford upfitter website. The rationale is that 2011 F150 has electric power steering which places 'high transient loads' on the electrical system. Thus adding a plow could compromise essential systems (ECM, ABS etc.). Basically I see it as your electric PS is going to be like having a plow on the electric system. So if you had a plow and lifted it while turning would be like having 2 plows. I think you could do a plow on the HD 7 lug F150 if you added a sep batt with an isolator for the plow. I'd like to try it on an ecoboost but I'm not going to spend 30k on a truck to void the warranty.
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He still hasn't done anything yet and by now its to late for this year.I'm still trying to convince him a Wrangler may be better for his needs.He can always pull a small trailer with the Jeep and have the added maneuverability that a 1/2 Ton won't have.How about a Tacoma?
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I've often thought a short box would be better. My brother had a 00 K1500 short bed with a 7.5 Fisher LD. I should have bought it from him.

Does he want a pickup? What about a SUV? A Yukon or Tahoe would be a little shorter than a pickup.
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There is a bulletin on the Ford upfitter website. The rationale is that 2011 F150 has electric power steering which places 'high transient loads' on the electrical system. Thus adding a plow could compromise essential systems (ECM, ABS etc.). Basically I see it as your electric PS is going to be like having a plow on the electric system. So if you had a plow and lifted it while turning would be like having 2 plows. I think you could do a plow on the HD 7 lug F150 if you added a sep batt with an isolator for the plow. I'd like to try it on an ecoboost but I'm not going to spend 30k on a truck to void the warranty.
I think this is the sign of the future. And i'm sure companies are going to define those "GRAY" areas when it comes to issues with plows.

And I believe your absolutely right on the "compromise essential systems (ECM, ABS etc."
The systems are getting way to finite with voltage control and a plow will send the truck into spasms.

I think the ONLY way like you said is to completely isolate the whole plow system including lights and tickle the battery from the back side with a iso module. Make the system not even think a plow is on the truck. Never thought i would see the day when a truck is not a truck anymore. Don't know what your going to put a plow on in another 10 years.
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