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DRW vs SRW plowing

I know with DRW the rear track is wider so a wider plow is needed to keep the rear wheels in the plowed area . I hear that the overall traction of DRW isnt as good as SRW ( the one skinny tire theory ) . How much less might I expect ? Would extra ballast overcome the difference ?
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Well all I can say is when I was plowing with a 350 dump with a load of sand it had no problem pushing up hills down them no matter where it went fine
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Bill is this going to be a two wheel drive or a 4x4. With two wheel drive your going to need a bunch of ballast. 4x4 may not take as much.
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Bill is this going to be a two wheel drive or a 4x4. With two wheel drive your going to need a bunch of ballast. 4x4 may not take as much.
Left out ... it will be 4x4 with short flatbed on 145/ 60 chassis
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On a cab&chas DRW a wider plow isnt a factor since the second rear wheel is inside. If your dualy has flared out bed sides then it is a factor and the plow must be at least 1 foot wider. Dual rear wheels do suffer from less pounds per square inch of presure. Ballast will help. I still prefer SRW.
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I have no problems with traction on mine. I use about 1000 lbs. of ballast.
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Bill, you will not be happy plowing driveways w/ drw. I hate plowing driveways with mine.The back end of the truck is to wide. All so when the snow is wet, the drw tends to pack snow more than a srw when back dragging . One more thing the dodge cc and ford cc's are longer trucks than your current truck.
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I agree on doing drives ways I would never get a drw truck but for streets and lots it's great. One of the reasons i never got a dump. can't see to big for doing small stuff but a pickup can get into smaller areas and srw was good for doing narrow driveways which most of them are.

guess it depends on what you will be plowing with it
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I have no problems with traction on mine. I use about 1000 lbs. of ballast.
I agree GFX everything i have running except the wrangler is DRW and i wouldnt have it anyother way again were doing commerial work but the traction issues i dont see and i would rather have 6 planted than 4.
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Like has been stated, for drives, no way, if that's all you're going to plow. For commercial lots, the added stability of the second set of tires on the ground is well worth it. Add ballast and it will outplow a SRW all day.
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When loaded with extra weight, a dually is like a tank, there's not much stopping it. Trouble is if you do get stuck, you're STUCK!

On dual wheel light trucks, the rear axle is wider than the front so the rear tire drags in the windrow sooner than an SRW truck. I've used my 550 in driveways in a pinch, but it's too much truck for the job. I have to be very careful maneuvering due to the extra width and length, plus it takes longer.
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When loaded with extra weight, a dually is like a tank, there's not much stopping it. Trouble is if you do get stuck, you're STUCK!

On dual wheel light trucks, the rear axle is wider than the front so the rear tire drags in the windrow sooner than an SRW truck. I've used my 550 in driveways in a pinch, but it's too much truck for the job. I have to be very careful maneuvering due to the extra width and length, plus it takes longer.
So DRW 4500 isnt the best configuration for plowing drives. I want to upgrade to a stouter truck . Going to a 1 ton SRW pickup doesnt really help me any since the drivetrains are the same as the 3/4 ton . The Dodge/Sterling 4500I have seen look very stout to me .
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Bill the only way I can see the 4500 drw being a plus is if you have massive estate type driveways. but regular type drives like i have here it would be a pain in the neck.The only thing i could sugest is to put it on with the state or get a few big lots or maybe sub for rocket. Because i'm sure plowing is only part of why you want a 4500.
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What do you feel isnt stout enough for your intended puropse? What is your intended purpose?

Yes weight can make up for it. In the same lot as one of the 550's. My truck had 1000's in the back and I was getting pushed around a bit side to side at times. I still plowed fine but the 550 with the liquid tank full wasnt having those issues. That was a very deep and heavy snow and it was twards the end of the windrow we were running. But all that weight comes at a cost as well.
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So DRW 4500 isnt the best configuration for plowing drives. I want to upgrade to a stouter truck . Going to a 1 ton SRW pickup doesnt really help me any since the drivetrains are the same as the 3/4 ton . The Dodge/Sterling 4500I have seen look very stout to me .
Why the need for a stouter truck to do drives? Marlboro in general has much smaller drives than I have here and I do just fine with my 1 ton.
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So DRW 4500 isnt the best configuration for plowing drives. I want to upgrade to a stouter truck . Going to a 1 ton SRW pickup doesnt really help me any since the drivetrains are the same as the 3/4 ton . The Dodge/Sterling 4500I have seen look very stout to me .
I thought my s-10 was the perfect driveway vehicle with front and rear plows, BOY was wrong...
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. Because i'm sure plowing is only part of why you want a 4500.
Some of it is I just want one . Kinda like diesel Dont need it . just want it .

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What do you feel isnt stout enough for your intended puropse? What is your intended purpose?
For now it would be plowing drives . Driveway plowing is really tough on my trucks . The truck hardly ever gets up to plowing speed to roll the snow . The truck has to push more weight . My truck eats up u joints . I get the same u joint in the 1 ton - nice scrape less cleanup . I also thought a 4500 with a big heavy expanding plow would save me time . I do need to do another test drive and actually drive the 145/60 into a few drives to see if the turning capabilities will be OK . I hope I am not dissappointed .

Yes weight can make up for it. In the same lot as one of the 550's. My truck had 1000's in the back and I was getting pushed around a bit side to side at times. I still plowed fine but the 550 with the liquid tank full wasnt having those issues. That was a very deep and heavy snow and it was twards the end of the windrow we were running. But all that weight comes at a cost as well.
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Why the need for a stouter truck to do drives? Marlboro in general has much smaller drives than I have here and I do just fine with my 1 ton.
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. Because i'm sure plowing is only part of why you want a 4500.
Some of it is I just want one . Kinda like diesel Dont need it . just want it .

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Yes weight can make up for it. In the same lot as one of the 550's. My truck had 1000's in the back and I was getting pushed around a bit side to side at times. I still plowed fine but the 550 with the liquid tank full wasnt having those issues. That was a very deep and heavy snow and it was twards the end of the windrow we were running. But all that weight comes at a cost as well.
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Why the need for a stouter truck to do drives? Marlboro in general has much smaller drives than I have here and I do just fine with my 1 ton.
For now it would be plowing drives . Driveway plowing is really tough on my trucks . The truck hardly ever gets up to plowing speed to roll the snow . The truck has to push more weight . My truck eats up u joints . I get the same u joint in the 1 ton . I also thought a 4500 with a big heavy expanding plow would save me time - nice scrape less cleanup . I do need to do another test drive and actually drive the 145/60 into a few drives to see if the turning capabilities will be OK . I hope I am not dissappointed
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Maybe you just need to step up to a deccent 1 ton truck? Havent hurt either of my 2500HDs(they have 9200 GVW so they are the old "1 ton" ) trucks. Put 55k on the 03's U joints with a few 1.6x 60's in there and have 47k on the 06 with alot of trips down the 1/4 mile and some truck pulling and I'm fine. Just need to ditch the sheep mobile

Seriously though.....you have issues with a 3/4 ton living doing drives? Something aint right.

I would go nuts doing drives with something bigger than a 1 ton SRW reg cab. If you really want to justify a bigger truck I'd ditch doing drives and concentrate on other properties.
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I've been plowing driveways with an F-350 SRW for more than 20 years. With the initial truck I broke the TTB front axle, replaced it with the Monotube and never had another problem. I haven't had any extraordinary repairs with the newer truck other than the transmission and that's due to a poor design. I run from 80 to 100 driveways through the years, most are 200' long or more. Many involve steep inclines with curves, many used to be unpaved.

As I mentioned, I use my 550 as backup but I'm nervous when doing so. It does a great job until conditions are so bad that it slides, and when it does I've got a big problem on my hands. I can't call a buddy with a pickup to pull me out, I need big equipment to free the truck. On two occasions, the load or weight I carry for traction has shifted and nearly rolled the truck over.

You came here asking advice Bill, and many are providing it generously. Everyone is saying that the combination you have in mind is not the best truck for the job, then you come across with the line "because I want one." If that's the case why do you bother to ask advice? Go out and buy one, then wrestle with it in your driveways. For the past 6 months you seem to be on a vendetta to stir the pot here, I know I'm not the only one getting tired of it. I'm done here.
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[QUOTE=Pelican;191062]I've been plowing driveways with an F-350 SRW for more than 20 years. With the initial truck I broke the TTB front axle, replaced it with the Monotube and never had another problem. I haven't had any extraordinary repairs with the newer truck other than the transmission and that's due to a poor design. I run from 80 to 100 driveways through the years, most are 200' long or more. Many involve steep inclines with curves, many used to be unpaved.

As I mentioned, I use my 550 as backup but I'm nervous when doing so. It does a great job until conditions are so bad that it slides, and when it does I've got a big problem on my hands. I can't call a buddy with a pickup to pull me out, I need big equipment to free the truck. On two occasions, the load or weight I carry for traction has shifted and nearly rolled the truck over.

You came here asking advice Bill, and many are providing it generously. Everyone is saying that the combination you have in mind is not the best truck for the job, then you come across with the line "because I want one." If that's the case why do you bother to ask advice? Go out and buy one, then wrestle with it in your driveways. For the past 6 months you seem to be on a vendetta to stir the pot here, I know I'm not the only one getting tired of it. I'm done here.[/QUOTE



I appreciate all of the advice . Yes part of my thinking is I think its a great truck and I would really like one . I dont see why that a bad thing . From what I reading , I am seeing that a 4500 is to large of a platform for driveway plowing . It really interested me . No, I dont think my truck is tough enough for what I want it to do .
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Whats alot of u-joints ?
My 05 2500HD has had 2 replaced, 62K on the ticker. Im running a 2 yard v-box and an 810 in front. Its a plow truck with a 70K powertrain warranty, I did the rear driveshaft my self, I didnt have time to take the truck in before I went to see my Buddy in Midland. The 03 2500HD Hemi "Lot Ginny" truck was retired from plowing at 74K, no u-joints. Nothing clicking when I traded it in either Needed tires, thats it.
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Whats alot of u-joints ?
My 05 2500HD has had 2 replaced, 62K on the ticker. Im running a 2 yard v-box and an 810 in front. Its a plow truck with a 70K powertrain warranty, I did the rear driveshaft my self, I didnt have time to take the truck in before I went to see my Buddy in Midland. The 03 2500HD Hemi "Lot Ginny" truck was retired from plowing at 74K, no u-joints. Nothing clicking when I traded it in either Needed tires, thats it.
Third one in Nov 18K miles on the truck . They all have been replaced under the 7/70 but that a lot of U joints for 18 K . Not by the same tech either .
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Third one in Nov 18K miles on the truck . They all have been replaced under the 7/70 but that a lot of U joints for 18 K . Not by the same tech either .

Maybe it's due to not being used enough.
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